Marisa Peer on Overcoming Limiting Beliefs

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Katie: Good day, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the top, my new line of hair care, toothpaste, and different private care merchandise. Verify these out at wellnesse.com. This episode is all about reversing limiting beliefs, concepts like, I’m not adequate, I’m not sufficient. I’m not lovable. I’m right here with Marissa Peer, who’s the creator of the award-winning Speedy Transformational Remedy, which is a very fascinating and I discover a novel kind of remedy that works actually, actually rapidly in lots of circumstances. She’s additionally the founding father of Iamenough.com. She has a number of best-selling books and he or she is a speaker and skilled that speaks all all over the world. And the explanation I needed to have her on immediately is to actually go deep on a few of these therapies she does with folks, each from the angle of how we as adults can form of rewire and undo a few of these limiting beliefs that stem from childhood but additionally to higher perceive the core wants of youngsters, what number of of those issues stem from issues in childhood when youngsters don’t really feel secure or beloved or essential for varied causes, and the way we as mother and father may also help to hopefully guard our youngsters towards a few of these pitfalls. Definitely, none of us are gonna do it completely however she offers some actually sensible recommendation each in how we as adults can let go of a few of these limiting beliefs typically way more rapidly than we predict and likewise how we are able to set our youngsters up with a powerful basis going into maturity. So, a really fascinating episode. I realized lots. I took notes. You truly may hear me take a second to reply a few occasions on this episode. And it’s as a result of I used to be writing down notes. And all of my notes and the entire issues she talked about are within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. So we’ll positively begin there if you happen to wanna continue learning from her. However with out additional ado, I can’t wait to share her with you. So let’s soar in. Marisa, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Marisa: Thanks for inviting me. I’m flattered and honored to be right here.

Katie: I’m so excited to share you with everybody listening immediately as a result of I believe you have got a lot worth that you simply deliver, and particularly for all the ladies listening, simply so, so many phrases of knowledge. However to begin off, I’d love to listen to, for anybody who isn’t accustomed to you already, just a bit little bit of your story and the way you got here to be who you are actually and to do all this work that you simply’re doing.

Marisa: Nicely, my story is I at all times needed to be a baby psychologist however I discovered that very painful, not as a lot painful, a job the place you couldn’t actually get the outcomes you needed. And I’ve at all times been fascinated my complete life by human conduct. And so I left coaching in baby psychology and went to work in L.A. for Jane Fonda instructing aerobics. And that obtained me actually occupied with psychology of consuming problems, which led on to me fascinated by infertility. And so all the pieces I’ve performed has led on from one thing else. However I didn’t plan this profession, however I actually discovered it and I’m very glad I did.

Katie: And I’ve learn fairly a little bit of your work and you’ve got a number of books out. I’ll ensure we hyperlink to all of these. However I like the work that you simply do, particularly surrounding limiting beliefs. And that’s been one thing that basically has been useful and resonated with me. So, for anybody who’s not acquainted, are you able to clarify to us in a excessive degree what limiting beliefs are?

Marisa: Sure, I imply, you understand, all of us believed that our emotions are dominated by our behaviors, but it surely’s truly the opposite approach round, our behaviors are dominated by our emotions. So, if you happen to’re wanting on the regulation of management, our ideas management our emotions, our emotions management our actions and our actions management our occasions. So if you happen to peel that again, occasions, actions, emotions, all of it begins with considering. And it’s very simple to alter your considering. As an example, think about you’re a binge eater, and also you attempt to management that by going to the health club or placing your self in a very restrictive eating regimen or taking urge for food suppressants, what you’re doing is coping with the conduct but it surely’s the thought that runs it’s I’m not sufficient and I would like extra. Certainly with any dependancy, if you happen to’re hooked on alcohol and also you deal with the alcoholism however not the underlying feeling, which is I’m simply not adequate.

And so, when you may change your considering, it actually can and does change your complete life. And that’s superb information for a lot of causes. One, in fact, is that altering your considering is free. It’s fairly simple. It doesn’t require onerous work. It’s not like altering your physique and having to do 600 sit-ups and the plank day by day. And when you begin to do it, it stops being what you do and really turns into who you might be. So it turns into a very highly effective device to begin dwelling the life you need with out it being effort, and onerous work, and disappointments. It doesn’t imply you don’t should work for what you need but it surely means it’s simpler once you go at that realizing and believing that you simply’re worthy of it and deserving of it.

Katie: Yeah, I consider an instance from my very own life was that for lots of years, I had this script in my head that I used to be attempting to shed some pounds, and if solely I misplaced weight then I might be pleased or then I might love myself. And what I ended up realizing in my very own journey was that I might select to alter that perception, and to like myself, and to decide on happiness in that second. After which it truly turned a lot simpler to do the entire issues that led to weight reduction as a result of I wasn’t combating myself anymore. However I believe typically for anybody struggling, you talked about some massive issues, you understand, consuming problems or alcoholism, issues which might be very critical points, there typically is that notion that it’s going to be very onerous or that it needs to be very, very troublesome or an uphill battle or a tough course of. And I like that about your work since you actually have this message that these shifts, such as you stated, there’s nonetheless work concerned, however they don’t should be this actually, actually troublesome factor that we frequently make them out to be. However I’m curious what are a few of these frequent limiting beliefs that individuals run into? I do know that you’ve got a number of work across the concept of I’m not sufficient and that appears to be an extremely frequent one.

Marisa: Yeah, it’s the most typical one. I might say that at the very least a 3rd, if not 50% of all my purchasers are available with that perception, “I’m not sufficient. I’m not adequate. I’m not lovable sufficient. I’m not sensible sufficient. I’m not fascinating sufficient. I’m undeserving sufficient.” And that lies behind issues like hoarding, compulsive buying, addictions, damaging consuming, even having wealth blocks and love blocks, you understand, self-sabotaging your self all originate within the feeling of not being sufficient. The nice factor is, it’s very, very simple to alter it as a result of it’s not true. No child is born considering they’re not sufficient. We are able to decide that perception up very, very quick however we are able to additionally do away with it very quick.

Katie: So, stroll us by means of that a bit of bit. Like, what are a number of the ways in which folks can start to…? I do know that you’ve got packages particularly for all of this and I’ll ensure we hyperlink to these. However I really feel like once I first heard about this, I used to be a bit of bit in disbelief of, like, can it truly be that simple? Like, it looks like it needs to be onerous.

Marisa: Yeah, that’s so fascinating as a result of that’s such a false impression I come up towards on a regular basis. Like, medical doctors will say, “Nicely, this individual’s obtained anorexia. That’s a really advanced sickness, subsequently the remedy is advanced. This shopper has bipolar despair, that’s so advanced that the remedy have to be advanced.” I’ve met individuals who say, you understand, bulimics want 40 classes to get higher. However I’ve by no means believed that. However I consider that the many people are presenting drawback, I’ve despair, I’ve anxiousness, I’ve panic assaults, I’ve an consuming dysfunction, they’re advanced. However the remedy doesn’t have to be advanced if and when yow will discover what causes the issue and deal with that.

While you’re treating the issue itself, I’m attempting to deal with an consuming dysfunction, or a compulsion, or an dependancy, however all I’m treating is the conduct, then that may take a very long time. But when I deal with the origin of the conduct, if I am going again to the not-enoughness and deal with that, it’s a special recreation. I imply, lately, you understand, I can’t consider I’ve been denying myself love for years and years and years due to a thought. My ideas have allowed me to disclaim myself love. And I did all these items. I misplaced weight. I obtained a bit of little bit of tweaking right here and there. I had a makeover. I joined a relationship company, I joined a relationship app, and none of it labored. However once I determined I used to be lovable, I discovered somebody on the street simply strolling to the bus cease.

As a result of that’s the factor, it’s important to deal with the supply of the ache. A bit such as you going to the physician and saying, “I’ve complications.” And he may say, “Nicely, you understand, your complications are brought on as a result of your posture in your again is improper.” So now we all know that the supply of the ache will not be the supply of the issue. And if you happen to stated, “Yeah, I do know that however I solely wanna take headache drugs. You possibly can preserve telling me my backbone is improper and my hip’s improper however I insist on taking headache drugs for spinal issues,” we predict, “Nicely, that’s loopy.”

However it’s very a lot the identical factor. The supply of your points is normally not-enoughness, I really feel insufficient, I don’t really feel adequate, and you should deal with that. And once you deal with that, you repair all the opposite issues concurrently. And that’s why it’s simple since you’re treating the supply and the basis of an issue somewhat than the issue itself. And in treating the supply and the basis, you deal with all of the offshoots too.

Katie: And it looks like a lot of this…You talked about…I like that line that…I’ve learn that in your writing earlier than too that new child infants aren’t born with the concept that they’re not sufficient. So that is clearly a realized factor. Do you discover that each one or nearly all of these items return to a degree in childhood for most individuals?

Marisa: Virtually all people goes again to childhood. I imply, a number of scientific and medical research say that our character is ready by the point we’re 5, some folks say 7. I imply the Catholics say, “Give me a boy till he’s 5 and I’ll provide the man.” And I believe Roman stated till 7, some will say till 3. However we all know…you understand, eminent baby psychologists know that our childhood shapes our maturity. And so, as an illustration, if you happen to had been to go to Romania and undertake a bit of 3-year-old baby and produce them again to Florida, and love them, and love them, and love them, that doesn’t imply they’ll get higher as a result of a lot injury is finished in our adolescence.

And the largest drawback in our adolescence is that after we’re little, we don’t have that many wants. I have to really feel secure, that’s essential. I have to really feel beloved. I have to really feel I matter so that you’ll handle me. In order a bit of child, we solely have a couple of wants. Protected, beloved, essential, important. And when these wants usually are not met, what occurs is we don’t blame the mother and father. We blame ourselves. The kid by no means stops loving mother and father, they cease loving themselves. Nicely, “My wants not getting met, I suppose I’m undeserving of it.” They usually’ll by no means get met. And now that baby turns into an grownup who nonetheless has this perception, “Nobody’s gonna meet my wants. I’m not lovable, I’m not adequate, I’m undeserving sufficient.”

And that’s the horrible unhappiness as a result of each child is worthy of affection. No child says, “I received’t cry as a result of nobody’s coming. I received’t demand to be fed as a result of I’m grasping. I received’t anticipate my mother and father to play with me as a result of they’re exhausted.” A child has a perception, “I’m worthy of all of this.” And it’s unhappy that we predict we’ve misplaced it, however we haven’t misplaced it, we’ve simply forgotten we ever had it. And so you will get all of that again and really simply too.

Katie: Yeah, I’ve learn a quote just like that lately that utterly stopped me in my tracks. And it stated, you understand, “While you criticize your kids, they don’t cease loving you, they cease loving themselves.” And that basically made me suppose lots. And, form of, to your level of all of these items, going again to childhood, and once I’ve learn your work, I’ve been in a position to see a few of these patterns in my very own life. And I really feel like from right here, there’s form of a two-part query. Most of the adults listening in all probability are recognizing a few of these limiting beliefs or that, form of, core feeling of not feeling lovable or not feeling sufficient.

But in addition, nearly all of the folks listening are mother and father. And so I at all times suppose once I hear issues like this, like, what can I do as a mother to assist my youngsters have the most effective basis and the most effective mindset going into maturity? Definitely, I believe all mothers, we do our greatest, and nonetheless, our youngsters are gonna in all probability have issues they should work by means of. None of us are gonna do it completely. However what can we do to present them the most effective basis?

Marisa: Nicely, you understand, all kids ever want…I want I’d recognized this once I was a dad or mum, I didn’t, I discovered it out later. However what kids want is so that you can be current with them. That’s all they need, you to be current with them. They don’t really need stuff. I imply, I’m not speaking about 15-year-old youngsters who need the newest Gameboy and the newest Nikes. However little kids need you to be current. And if you happen to ask kids what their pleased zone is…For me, my mother and father had a home within the South of France, we went each summer time. However my happiest reminiscence, with out query, was choosing berries with my grandmother, making selfmade jam, or going to, like, what we used to name a “jumble,” I don’t know what we name them in America, and shopping for a stack of magazines, and going to, I suppose it’s equal of like a automotive boot sale.

So, kids’s recollections are at all times like enjoying puzzles, cooking collectively. It’s not likely about doing stuff that prices some huge cash. So being current with them is significant in elevating their shallowness. As a dad or mum, your baby’s shallowness is a mark of how profitable you might be or not. And that may be very troublesome when youngsters go to highschool, and they’re judged on what grade they’re in, and what they seem like. And it’s very, very troublesome as a dad or mum to get it proper however a very powerful factor is to make your youngsters consider in themselves, to lift them with wholesome, excessive shallowness.

Katie: After which for the mother and father, I imply like I stated, I’ve acknowledged a few of these issues in myself, and these have been issues I’ve labored by means of in my very own life. And definitely, I believe a number of the issues that you simply work with folks on are so well timed and related proper now. And these limiting beliefs can influence our grownup life in so many various methods. You’ve one thing referred to as Speedy Transformational Remedy. Are you able to discuss that a bit of bit at a excessive degree?

After which I’d like to go a bit of bit particular on that as effectively. As a result of to circle again once more, and simply actually highlighting that concept, I believe for years, I made the method more durable on myself than I wanted to as a result of I anticipated it to be onerous. I assumed it needed to be onerous for it to work. And as soon as I lastly realized that wasn’t the case, it was wonderful how quickly issues shifted. However stroll us by means of how you’re employed with folks in remedy so folks can, form of, perceive simply how drastically and rapidly issues can shift.

Marisa: Yeah. Nicely, lots of people consider that…I imply, I’ve been informed by many different folks, the phrases speedy and remedy mustn’t go collectively, that remedy isn’t speedy, certainly, it’s lengthy and painful with out even any assure of a decision on the finish. However there’s no different remedy mannequin that claims, “Carry me your ache and we’ll focus on it.” No dentist says “Sure, you’ve obtained a really dangerous cavity. Come alongside and we’ll have a dialog with you each week, and once you belief me sufficient, we’ll begin to do some work.” No heart specialist, no dermatologist says, “We have to focus on your coronary heart drawback or your pores and skin drawback each week and perhaps after a while, you may really feel higher.”

Remedy is the one mannequin that claims, “Flip up together with your ache, and we’ll focus on it, and we’ll construct a relationship round our dialogue, after which after we construct a relationship collectively, we would simply be capable of crack by means of your ache and assist you or assist you reside with it.” And that’s not a therapist’s fault but it surely’s such an odd mannequin to supply folks as a result of if you happen to deliver your ache to anybody else, a chiropractor, a health care provider, a dentist, they have a tendency to repair the ache as quick as they probably…And nobody says in ER, “I have to develop a relationship with a surgeon earlier than they function on me.” That usually we by no means even meet them as a result of we’re anesthetized by then.

And so, I needed to create…I imply, I had the identical mannequin, which is deliver me your ache and let me repair it for you as quick as I probably can. And if you happen to can take part within the fixing, even higher. So folks come to me with each form of ache you may think about, from bodily ache, from migraines, or irritable bowel, or polycystic ovary syndrome, or fibromyalgia. So we’ve got actual bodily pains. And almost 70% of illnesses now are identified as psychosomatic, which implies the headache is totally actual, the nerve ache is actual, however what’s inflicting them will not be damaged components of your physique, however damaged components of your considering. And that’s very simple to repair.

After which we’ve got emotional issues, which don’t have the identical bodily pains, however they produce other points. I really feel depressed, I really feel unhappy, I’ve panic assaults. I’ve self-sabotaging conduct. I’m self-destructive. I don’t have love. And really a lot the identical factor, whether or not you’re in emotional ache or bodily ache, you shouldn’t have to attend any time in any respect to get higher. It ought to begin to occur instantly. So RTT instantly begins to have a look at why. So, after we practice folks, we are saying, “Look, your first job is to be a detective. Put in your detective hat and discover out when did this occur? What was happening? Why did this shopper out of the blue develop into morbidly overweight? Why did this shopper go from straight-A scholar to failing? Why did this shopper out of the blue get panic assaults?”

So we’re gathering data like a detective, discovering out why. And many consumers say, “Nicely, you understand, once I discovered why, it’s as a result of my dad left once I was a child. As a result of my mom cried all through the being pregnant. I had no concept that I blamed myself for that.” And the minute they discover out why, they really feel so a lot better. After which the second a part of the session is shifting from being a detective to nearly like a dentist and eradicating poisonous matter, poisonous beliefs, poisonous ideas, poisonous choices folks have made, eliminating them and changing them with one thing higher. After which the third and last half is being a coder. And simply as a coder wires into a pc higher software program to make it perform higher, we wire into our purchasers a lot better software program to make them consider in themselves to reactivate the boldness they had been born with however they forgot they ever had.

And likewise, it’s recorded, the one which’s terribly essential is a shopper is given a recording that’s private, it’s not a generic leisure. It’s made within the session. It’s a recording made for them. The coding bit is recorded. The shopper takes that house. They play it for 20 days as a result of RTT relies on the foundations of the thoughts. And the foundations of the thoughts say the thoughts learns by repetition. The principles of the thoughts say each thought you suppose is the blueprint that your thoughts and physique work to make actual, that the strongest drive in you is that you simply act in a approach that matches the best way you outline your self. And that emotion is far more highly effective than logic. So I’ve put all these guidelines of the thoughts collectively to type a remedy primarily based round our personal thoughts guidelines that make our thoughts settle for new beliefs whereas letting go of previous ones fairly quickly, very quickly, truly.

Katie: So to observe up on these three factors, which I like that it’s that clear lower, so, you stated the primary half is attempting to determine why or the place that comes from. And for example, I do know for me, I went again to a number of occasions in childhood the place I had made a mistake or dropped one thing and form of gotten yelled at by my mother and had internalized that I wasn’t adequate or that I used to be at all times making errors or no matter it was. And even simply with the ability to acknowledge that that’s the place it got here from and reframe it now understanding additionally a mother’s perspective and understand that doubtless had nothing to do with me, it was perhaps she was having a foul day or she was wired, and I might completely perceive that now once I was in a position to have a look at it in a different way. However do you discover even simply folks with the ability to pinpoint and know that why is a giant step?

Marisa: It’s an enormous step as a result of once you’re little, you understand, right here’s the reality for any baby, once you’re a bit of child, you understand one factor, in case your mother and father such as you, you’ll survive. It doesn’t matter if you happen to’re a child kitten, a child pet, or a child human, we perceive innately that if my mother and father love me, I’m gonna make it. And so when our mother and father get indignant with us and shout at us and scream at us as a result of they’re having their very own points, we at all times suppose it’s our fault as a result of we should idealize the those that we consider our survival will depend on.

So when mother screams at you, dad flounces off, dad leaves mother, no matter is happening, a baby can’t work out, “Oh, you see, my dad’s an alcoholic. My mother’s obtained despair. My mother and father ought to by no means have by no means gotten married.” All a baby can suppose is, “Oh, they don’t love me as a result of I’m not sufficient.” As a result of it’s safer responsible your self than responsible the person who your survival will depend on. In order that makes excellent sense. The issue is that we by no means get to a stage the place we predict, “Oh, proper, let me return now and reset that as a result of I at all times thought it was my fault my mother was sad. Now I perceive my mother made very dangerous decisions. She was a little bit of a sufferer and it wasn’t my fault.”

We don’t have a reset button to press so we undergo life believing what it have to be. If my mother was sad and he or she didn’t love me, who’s gonna love me? , I noticed that with Princess Diana lots as a result of her personal mom left when she was little and didn’t come again. She at all times believed, “Nicely, if she didn’t love me, who might love me?” That was very a lot the identical factor with Marilyn Monroe. You see if you happen to take a look at Whitney Houston, or Amy Winehouse, or Heath Ledger, and even Michael Jackson, or George Michael, every time the kid has to carry out to get the dad or mum’s reward, or has to realize, has to work for love, they are going to consider, “Oh, no, I don’t get love. I’ve to work actually onerous to earn it, and at any time will probably be taken away,” and so they typically go into self-sabotage due to this perception, “I’m not lovable the best way I’m. I’m lovable if I look excellent, act excellent, produce one thing excellent.”

Katie: Wow. That makes a lot sense. So, how can we, as mother and father, assist youngsters to not internalize that or to not really feel like they’re undeserving of affection? As a result of actually there are occasions there’s going to be individuals who have separations or divorce or who undergo powerful occasions and their youngsters are gonna should undergo these issues too. Are there methods to assist youngsters?

Marisa: Yeah. Good query. That is so good for folks. So the most effective factor is to personal it. , all mother and father, actually me, I imply, I tousled many, many occasions. , I used to be a single dad or mum with my very own points, in fact, I shouted at my baby and stated issues I ought to by no means have stated that I’ll at all times remorse. However it’s very onerous to be an ideal dad or mum. All you are able to do together with your youngsters is exit and say, “ what, darling? Mommy was not very good immediately. Mommy loves you. Mommy’s…That was not your fault. At present mommy was cranky. At present mommy had a number of worries and I shouldn’t have made you the butt of that.” They usually do perceive that. I used to say to my little lady, “, darling, immediately mommy had her interval and he or she was a bit ratty.” And sooner or later she stated, “Mommy, I believe my instructor had her interval immediately as a result of she was not very sort.”

So she had all of it labored out in her head as a result of I might at all times apologize, “That was my fault. I shouldn’t have performed that. I shouldn’t have reacted like that.” I’ll have…She stated to me, she goes “Mommy, it doesn’t really feel such as you love me once you converse to me in that nasty voice.” As a result of I used to be saying, “Come on, hurry. I like you however you’ve gotta hurry up.” They usually’re not foolish kids however they don’t anticipate you to be excellent, they only anticipate you to not put it on them to say, “That was my fault. , I’ve no proper to shout at you as we’re working by means of the airport or working for the bus, or all the pieces went improper, I dropped the dinner, or I burned it, I smashed one thing, I shouldn’t flip round and scream at you as a result of that wasn’t your fault. And even when it was, you understand, you might be only a child if you happen to broke one thing.” I imply, they do this. They get nail varnish in your carpet and do every kind of stuff you favor them to not do.

However so long as you may personal it and say, “I didn’t deal with it very effectively immediately. I’m actually sorry,” they like that as a result of it permits them to grasp that different folks received’t deal with it. The instructor might have a foul day, the buddy…And, in fact, youngsters take it out on one another too. They’re not averse to some child picks up their toy truck, smacking them across the head with it. So that they do perceive that it isn’t all excellent Pollyanna. However apologizing to your baby, proudly owning and saying, “You didn’t deserve that. I used to be out of line. I shouldn’t have performed that,” that makes them cease blaming themselves, which is the massive factor you need to wire into kids. That was my fault.

You see, even kids who get abused, that’s the heartbreaking factor, most pedophiles say to a baby, “You needed that. , once you had been working round in your bikini or sashaying round in your nightie,” otherwise you’re so fairly, otherwise you’re so cute, you needed that.” They usually don’t perceive tips on how to say, “No, I didn’t,” as a result of it’s very simple to make a baby consider it’s their fault. And so it’s important to give your youngsters to go, “No, it’s not my fault. I didn’t trigger that. I’m to not blame.” And likewise, when you may go to your baby and say, “, immediately, daddy was actually out of line and I behaved like a baby. I misplaced my mood. I used to be a baby. You had been smarter than me immediately.” What that does is it permits them to go and say, “Mommy, I misplaced it, I acted out. I did one thing actually improper immediately,” since you’ve allowed them to see that they don’t should be excellent and also you’re not, then they’ll come to you and say…

My daughter got here house sooner or later when she’s about 13 and stated, “Mommy, I spoke terribly to my buddy’s brother. He stole all these baseball hats in a store and he gave me one and I didn’t need it. I didn’t know what to do.” And I say, “Nicely, that’s good that you simply informed me.” And I’d at all times say, “You’ll by no means get punished for telling the reality ever, even if you happen to do one thing actually improper.” And I stated, “ that feeling in your tummy, that’s a sense that it’s not good and also you simply should say to him, “No, thanks.”

Or, you understand, if he’s 15, you’re 11, and you’re feeling embarrassed, then, you understand, once you get house, you probably did the precise factor, you stated to mother, “I don’t need this baseball hat. I felt actually dangerous accepting it.” So the extra you may enable them to see that they don’t should be excellent comes from you proudly owning your errors and never attempting to be excellent. And the worst factor is when mother and father say, “Don’t you reply again. Don’t you have got an opinion. Don’t shout. Don’t cry. I’ll provide you with one thing to cry about.” That’s very complicated for a kid. You get indignant after they’re indignant. They usually get punished for being indignant, however you’re allowed to be indignant. In order that’s actually complicated for them. And allow them to have an opinion as a result of after they get to 14 or 15, you understand, you need your youngsters to have the ability to have an opinion towards a bully or anyone who’s gonna pressurize them to have intercourse or drink or smoke. However if you happen to by no means allow them to have an opinion with you, then how are they ever going to try this? You’re the primary individual they’re going to be taught to debate and argue with.

Katie: That’s such an ideal level. It’s one I’ve positively not performed completely, however I’ve tried to do. My oldest is now 14. And even from the time he was little, I might encourage them to ask questions. And I bear in mind when he was actually little, perhaps like 3, I stated, “, at all times ask questions if you happen to’re curious. And if you happen to don’t perceive one thing or one thing doesn’t make sense, at all times query it.” And he stated, “Even you?” And I stated, “Even and particularly me as a result of I’m right here that can assist you be taught.” However I believe you’re proper, so typically that will get suppressed with youngsters. And it’s been wonderful to look at him now, largely, regardless that he’s 14, like an grownup at this level, and the way accountable he’s and to see our relationship shift. And like I stated, I don’t suppose I’ve performed it completely by any means however that’s one thing I’m glad I did from a really younger age with them.

And one other factor I’ve tried to at all times say to them day by day, I’ve six youngsters, so I say it lots however that, “I like you unconditionally. There’s nothing you may ever do to cut back that and there’s nothing you may ever do or have to do to extend that both.” As a result of I really feel like I didn’t get that second half very a lot as a child. I knew that my mother and father beloved me however I at all times felt like I needed to earn approval or that it was tied to my achievements. And I needed to, hopefully, assist my youngsters know that they by no means needed to earn that, that it could at all times be there.

Marisa: And it’s such an attractive factor as a result of, you understand, so many adults have this perception, I have to earn love. I have to work for love. I have to chase love. I have to be actually good. I have to have issues snipped off or injected in and I have to, you understand, add stuff to myself. And that simply isn’t true. Love is simply there and also you don’t should earn it, work for it, or run after it. And so saying to a baby, “, I like you and also you don’t ever should earn my love and there’s nothing you may do to make me love you extra and there’s nothing you are able to do to make me love you much less. If you happen to mess up, you understand, I received’t be happy however I’ll be there.”

As a result of, you understand, some mother and father say to their youngsters, “If you happen to get pregnant, don’t ever come house. If you happen to take medication, you’re out of this home.” They usually say it to scare them however think about in case your baby of 14 takes medication and feels they’ll by no means come house, then the place do you suppose they’re going to go? It’s a lot better so that you can say, “I don’t need you to take medication, I don’t need you to get pregnant, however no matter is happening, you’ll by no means get punished for telling the reality.” And I bear in mind my little lady when she was little stated, “Mommy, I’ve obtained inexperienced nail varnish all around the carpet and I do know you received’t punish me as a result of I simply informed you the reality.” And I stated, “Nicely, I’m very upset you probably did that, however I received’t.” And he or she stated, “Mommy, it’s such a aid. I’ve been so scared to inform you.” However I knew in that second it was a take a look at. Ought to I get actually indignant or shall I do…?

I gave her my phrase, you’ll by no means be punished for telling the reality. And, you understand, all youngsters do loopy issues. And you’ll’t at all times cease them, however you may be there to mop them up. And, you understand, I had my daughter’s pals turning up at my home, having been thrown out of their very own home as a result of their mom discovered contraception of their bag or in a single case the morning after tablet. And it’s important to be a secure place on your kids after they’re going by means of tough occasions as a result of the very last thing you need is them to go to another person’s home as a result of they’ll’t discuss to you.

Katie: Yeah, that’s such a superb level. We’ve form of develop into that place for lots of my youngsters’ pals as effectively and I’m so grateful to be that place. I’d at all times stated after they had been younger, I hope to be the place the place all the youngsters really feel comfy coming to hang around and that additionally they really feel like they’ll discuss to me. However it does make me unhappy as effectively when youngsters will discuss to me, however not their very own mother and father. And I at all times attempt to encourage them to open the traces of communication with their mother and father.

Marisa: In fact. And so lots of them are simply so petrified of being judged. I imply, you understand, I work with infertility lots and I at all times take folks again to why they’ll’t conceive. And also you’d be amazed at what number of ladies return to this basic scene, “I’m 15 or 14 and I believe I’m pregnant. My dad will completely kill me. My mother and father can be livid. They’ll disown me. They’ll kick me out of the home or they’ll be so upset I’ve allow them to down.” And that doubt they’ve with themselves, “That is the worst factor ever, it is a nightmare, it is a catastrophe, that is disgrace,” that feeling of horror they really feel considering they’re pregnant turns into the primary block. The thoughts says, “Oh, you don’t wanna have a child.” And 15 years later, after they’re fortunately married to some nice man, the thoughts continues to be performing off this previous perception it could be a nightmare, a catastrophe, the worst factor ever to have a child.

As a result of the thoughts is at all times listening. Each phrase you say is picked up by the thoughts. And unexplained infertility is an interesting factor as a result of it’s unexplainable. Explainable infertility means, effectively, your fallopian tubes are blocked. You haven’t obtained any eggs, your womb lining is simply too skinny, your husband’s sperm swims backwards and there’s not a lot of it. However unexplained means all the pieces is ideal however you have got some blocking perception. And it at all times typically begins on the first ideas you have got about having a child. Having a child after we’re youngsters or we’re not married and even past that, “Oh, this boy is gonna reject me now. He’ll suppose I’ve trapped him. It’s a way of disgrace. I don’t need this presently in my life.” As a result of the thoughts is at all times listening and the phrases we type, a blueprint that we react to fifteen years after the occasion has come and gone.

Katie: Wow. That’s actually drastic. And okay, so that you stated the second step is that you simply take away these ache factors otherwise you take away these blocks. Are you able to stroll us by means of only a excessive degree of how that occurs or the way you do this?

Marisa: Yeah. So, I’ll provide you with an excellent instance, I used to be eager about a specific shopper. So I had a specific shopper, who’s an Arabic lady, very good, got here from a really spiritual household, the place the daddy’s phrase was all the pieces. And he or she was relationship a white boy and thought she was pregnant. And naturally, her mother and father would have simply been horrified. It could have been terrible. And so when she thought she was pregnant, she went into absolute terror, and stress, and anxiousness, and ultimately, organized privately to have a termination they by no means knew about and carried all of the guilt about that. And now, 15 years later, she’s 30-something, she’s obtained a stunning husband from the identical Arabic like her, mother and father adore him, adore her, lengthy have to be grandparents, however she will’t get pregnant due to this reminiscence.

So, the very first thing we do is return, folks don’t at all times know concerning the second, we return to why? Let’s discover out why you may’t conceive, up comes this reminiscence. And when she describes it, she’s crying, her lip’s trembling. She’s actually feeling the fear, the disgrace, the anxiousness, the stress, the fear, the uncertainty, after which extra disgrace after she has this termination, the concern that after they discover out, they’ll disown her as a result of she’s now not this excellent little lady that they suppose she is. And now, we go to fifteen years later the place she’s obtained a stunning husband and her mother and father can be working up and down the ward elated after they know she’s having a child. It will likely be their much-wanted grandson or grandchild.

So, to separate it, I make my shopper say, “That’s not me. That lady of 15 who’s crying and going as much as London to have a secret termination and has obtained secret papers, that’s not me. If I say to my mother and father, ‘Oh, I’m pregnant,’ they are going to be crying with happiness, it’s all they need.” So it’s the power simply separate then from now. Sure, when that was me, I used to be 15 and I did some foolish issues however I had solely been on the planet for 15 years. I didn’t know then what I do know now. I used to be performing with a life expertise of a 15-year-old, very completely different to a 32-year-old. It’s not me. So, it’s important to take a look at the scene then and the scene now and see the distinction as a result of most individuals take a look at the scene and so they see the comparability. You see, I wasn’t beloved once I was 2 and right here I’m, I’m 32 and I nonetheless can’t discover love. Each man I meet dumps me. The whole lot goes improper.

So, lots of people take a look at the way it’s the identical. I used to be silly at college, I nonetheless really feel silly. I felt ugly at college, I nonetheless really feel ugly. I wasn’t the neatest child and now I’m scared to ask for one thing as a result of I don’t really feel sensible. And it’s crucial to not take a look at what’s the similar however to have a look at what’s the distinction as a result of that’s one other rule of your thoughts, no matter you search for, yow will discover. So, they should undergo this primary factor, that’s not me as a result of, and that may’t be me as a result of, and that may by no means be me ever once more as a result of…And as soon as they’ve been in a position to actually determine what’s completely different somewhat than what’s the similar, they’re able to go on to the ultimate step, which is convincing the thoughts that in her case, she’s able to have a child, that she’s gonna be a tremendous mom, that all the pieces is ideal. And he or she couldn’t have been a tremendous mom at 15 however she may be a tremendous mom immediately. So, it’s taking a look at what’s completely different, making sense of it, after which changing into freed from it. And all of these issues are, form of, equally essential.

Katie: How does an individual begin to go about that? Like, you name it coding, giving a brand new software program. I additionally consider this in relation to the sooner query of programming our youngsters, hopefully, in a great way, and also you’ve given some nice ideas for that. However as soon as an individual acknowledges the issue and so they know what the ache level is to take away, what does that seem like to rewire or recode the mind and the way lengthy does that course of take?

Marisa: I imply, it may be nearly rapid. The one motive I name it coding is folks…you understand, we reside in a…We use the phrase, like, hacks, and you may name it one thing else, like having a conditioning recording. I’ve obtained a hypnotic conditioning audio to play. However you see, in case your laptop has a bug, you understand that the pc has slowed down. After which once you take it to someplace, they take out the bug, they put in your software program, they improve it actually, after which it really works completely. And somewhat like a pc, we get bugs in our considering that sluggish us down, dim our potential, dim our mild. And identical to the most effective software program individual, we simply should take these bugs out and improve our personal considering.

And so, upgrading your considering actually works like this. You could take a look at the ideas you suppose. For instance, “I don’t really feel adequate. I don’t really feel essential sufficient. I believe I don’t matter.” The place does that come from? Indisputably, a bit of baby. Nicely, why did you suppose these ideas? Nicely, as a result of my mother stated she needed a boy and I used to be the third lady or she didn’t actually need to have a child or, you understand, my dad left her and it ruined her life. And so, I assumed these beliefs that I didn’t matter however I used to be 4 years previous, I got here to conclusions once I’d been on the planet for 4 years. And that’s okay as a result of any child at 4 would have thought what I assumed however now I’m 44, it would by no means once more be related or essential, applicable. It wouldn’t even be fascinating to suppose what I assumed once I was 4. In order that’s the way you begin to change the software program. You say, “I assumed that once I was 4…”

It’s a bit like if I went to the shop with my mom once I was 4 and I obtained misplaced within the store, I in all probability would have moist my pants and cried. However at 32, I’d sit down and look forward to her to web page me or I’d name her on the cell. , I’ve by no means misplaced my daughter in an airport however I bear in mind being in an airport, humorous sufficient it was in Florida, and I see this little boy within the airplane, and he walked previous me on his personal, and I grabbed his hand and stated, “Stick with me.” And about 5 minutes, this mother got here working across the nook hysterical, and he or she acknowledged, she stated “Thanks a lot for holding onto him.” And for her it was terror. However think about 20 years go and he or she’s on the airport with that little boy of two and he or she loses him, she’s not gonna cry or run across the airport hysterical. So she’s gonna web page him or name him or say, “Nicely, I’ll simply go to the gate as a result of he is aware of which airplane we’re getting so I’m positive he’ll make his personal option to the gate,” which they do.

So, the idea that if you happen to misplaced your mom at 17 and also you cry hysterically, identical to you’d at 2, is one thing no person would do. And also you simply inform these tales to acknowledge that the way you behave at 2 known as age-appropriate. It’s the top of the world when your mother shouts at you or screams at you. And I bear in mind popping out of the shop not way back and I noticed one thing, I actually hate to see this however I’ve seen it a bit of bit, which is a mom pretending to go away her child within the automotive park and drive off with out him. To begin with, it was so harmful as a result of she simply drove away and he was screaming. She knew she was coming again however she was enjoying a recreation and he had no concept what the foundations of the sport had been, which is I stand on the pavement and cry, you come again, I get within the automotive, and I promise by no means to try this once more.

However I don’t perceive this recreation as a result of I’m solely 2, and it’s not a recreation to me, “My mother is leaving me ceaselessly as a result of she doesn’t like me as a result of I’m not good.” And so, these are the foundations that we anticipate kids to play and so they don’t perceive the foundations. And so, now, all these years later is that this 2-year-old child who was left within the retailer nonetheless has this perception, “Nicely, my spouse will go away if I’m not good. My pals will go away if I’m not good. I’ve gotta be good on a regular basis as a result of if I’m not good, folks simply abandon me.”

And in order that’s the distinction that what we really feel after we’re 2, we endure after we’re 32 as a result of we nonetheless don’t fairly perceive the foundations. And that’s why we shouldn’t play video games with different folks. We needs to be very trustworthy. By no means threaten to go away a relationship except you actually need to go away. Don’t go, “Nicely, I’ll stroll out if you happen to do this. I’m leaving if you happen to do this. I’m off if you happen to do this.” As a result of it’s so unfair. , I imply, I like my husband, he loves me, we’ve got points, however I might by no means, ever say, “If you happen to do this, I’m off.” As a result of I’ve seen too many individuals do this to their kids and certainly, to their companions, when, you understand, they even pack the case and stroll out of the door after they haven’t any intention of leaving them. However the ache they trigger different individuals who don’t perceive the foundations could be very unfair.

Katie: That’s such a transparent approach of explaining it. And particularly with youngsters, I imply, I believe that analogy is ideal and actually, actually essential. And I additionally suppose, like, that is one thing I’ve observed in my life, and I’m in all probability nonetheless engaged on, is I for a very long time felt like I wanted to, like, do all the pieces for everybody else on a regular basis and I might exit of my approach to assist folks or to get issues for folks. And I don’t suppose that was inherently a foul factor however I may also acknowledge that it largely got here from that concept that I wasn’t lovable or adequate by myself, and in order that I used to be solely valued for what I did for different folks or my achievements. And so even when the actions themselves had been good, perhaps the motivation behind them wasn’t fairly so wholesome.

And I like that quote that, “No matter you search for, you’ll discover.” And I consider that in {our relationships} or any interplay, I heard it defined one time, you understand, you probably have the concept that you’re not likable, you’re gonna discover proof of that in your entire interactions. It may be the best way somebody seems at you, whether or not they don’t reply rapidly sufficient, or no matter it might be, when actually, the truth of that may be that they’ve one thing else happening, or they’re busy, or it has nothing to do with you in any respect. However after we search for that, we’re gonna discover it. And I suppose I, form of, relate that to that we’ve develop into what we take into consideration and the query that we ask ourselves.

Like, for example of my very own life, when my inside questions was once like, why can’t I shed some pounds, why is that this so onerous for me, my mind would reply these questions with the entire methods I couldn’t shed some pounds and why it was so onerous. And once I shifted my considering and stopped asking these questions and began asking higher questions, it turned a lot simpler to try this. Is that, form of, the identical concept as that is like retraining these patterns and questions internally?

Marisa: Your thoughts will reply any query you give it. So, why can’t I discover something? Nicely, as a result of I’ve obtained a reminiscence like a sieve. It’s important to ask a special query. How can I at all times discover the place issues are? So, if you happen to give your thoughts a greater query, what might I do to have the physique I would like? What might I do to have the love I would like or the household life? What might I do? Your thoughts will go forward and discover one thing actual. If you happen to say why do my relationships at all times go improper, it would simply search for one thing random like, “Nicely, you’re not lovable sufficient.” So that you gotta be very clear with the way you…once more, it’s the pc…it’s important to ask your thoughts very, very particular questions.

If you happen to’re looking out on Google, you’re asking a query, you understand, as an illustration, I used to be taking a look at Google yesterday to see which international locations are actually shutting out the U.Okay. due to this virus. However I used to be getting solutions from Might as a result of I hadn’t put within the date in December. In order that’s a foolish factor. However once you ask a query on Google, if you happen to don’t put in precisely the date you’re searching for the query, you’ll get the precise reply, however from three years in the past. And infrequently we do that, “Oh, you understand, I’ve simply realized this text is old-fashioned.” However it’s very a lot the identical factor together with your thoughts once you ask it questions. Make sure that it understands the query so clearly.

So right here’s a query, I would like love. Nicely, okay, you need love however would you like it for an hour? Would you like it for a night? Would you like it for the remainder of your life? You gotta be actually clear, what sort of love would you like? , an evening of ardour or one thing completely different? I would like cash. Nicely, how a lot cash would you like and the way do you need to get that cash? Do you need to earn it by doing one thing wonderful that may make you’re feeling you’re doing good on this planet, you may earn cash whilst you sleep, or do you need to get cash by any means essential? So, our thoughts will at all times reply questions, however we’ve got to watch out to present it the precise questions that it might reply for us as a result of will probably be our ally and our greatest buddy. And we’re a lot eager to get what we wish after we ask the thoughts in a way more particular approach.

Katie: And you’ve got packages very particular to this. Are you able to discuss a bit of bit about that and the way folks can discover these and know which one which they need to begin with?

Marisa: Positive. Nicely, we’ve got a number of packages free. If you happen to go to marisapeer.com, we’ve got audios on wealth wiring, love wiring. So we’ve got audios which might be designed to find after which dismantle your cash blocks or love blocks or well being blocks or success blocks. So there’s loads of these. They’re all utterly free. We don’t ask on your card. You possibly can simply take these. So if you need some free stuff that can assist you be the most effective you may be, go to marisapeer.com. If you wish to learn to do RTT, it’s a tremendous remedy. It truly is taking the world by storm. It’s received so many awards. And also you don’t should have any background in remedy to coach with us. If you wish to know tips on how to do what I do, go to rtt.com. Certainly, yow will discover there tips on how to work with somebody like me in your space as a result of we practice folks all around the world.

And if you wish to simply actually work on becoming a member of the “I’m Sufficient” motion, realizing tips on how to put that in your life, we’ve got fridge magnets, little bracelets, and every kind of issues that we give away over on iamenough.com. So iamenough.com, marisapeer.com, rtt.com, take your decide. However do be a part of the “I’m Sufficient” motion, even when it simply means that you’re writing in your fridge in fridge magnets, saying it once you clear your enamel, writing it in your mirror in liner or marker pen. I actually suggest that small assertion may be completely life-changing and is to so many individuals.

Katie: Yeah, and we’ve included that in our home. We’ve been constructing out what I name a tradition wall in our hallway. And it has a number of our household mottos like, “You had been made to do onerous issues,” and, “Happiness is a selection and a talent,” and, “Ask onerous questions,” issues like that. And that’s one which we’re including as effectively is, “I’m sufficient,” so the youngsters see it day by day. That’s been a enjoyable venture to work on collectively as a household. And I’ll ensure I hyperlink to the present notes at wellnessmama.fm to the entire packages that you simply’ve talked about and to all of these web sites so folks can discover these and continue learning from you.

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One other query I’d like to ask towards the top of interviews is, apart from your individual, if there’s a ebook or quite a few books which have had a profound influence in your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why?

Marisa: Gosh, so many books. That’s a tough factor to choose. Nicely, and really, I bear in mind once I was a child, I learn “Tess of the d’Urbervilles” by Thomas Hardy. He was my favourite author. And I beloved that as a result of he was describing this lady and he stated, “, her eyes usually are not blue or brown and her lips are lopsided and wonky. And her imperfections made her excellent.” And I like “Jane Eyre” as a result of I beloved that quote when she says, “, I’m small and plain however I really feel in love and keenness simply as if I used to be tall and delightful.” And so, I like quotes from books. And Thomas Hardy wrote about this lady and he stated, “She was a bit of extra sinned towards than sinning.” And I assumed that was such an attractive quote.

However my favourite quote, which comes from a medical physician’s ebook is that this, “It’s the sensation that can’t discover its expression in tears and can trigger different organs to weep.” And so I learn his ebook, I used to be at Maudsley Hospital, and that was a man referred to as Henry Maudsley, who was an eminent psychiatrist. And I used to be wanting in his diaries, and there was that quote, and that was in all probability the most effective ebook I’ve ever learn as a result of he simply nailed that in a single with that tremendous shifting expression. If all of us might know that, as a result of what he’s saying is one thing and I say to folks, and I say, “Look, you may select to talk about your self nonetheless you want. It’s free. You possibly can select to be tremendous adverse.” Like, you’re saying to your kids, happiness is a selection. There’s no terminal you arrive at referred to as happiness. It’s the journey you’re on day by day.

So you may select to be adverse or you may select to be pleased however what you may’t select is what you do to your physique once you’re adverse. If you happen to might look in your physique and see what you do to it once you’re adverse, you’d cease considering adverse ideas as a result of they’ve to come back out someplace, and so they come out in bronchial asthma, and eczema, and dermatitis, and nervous habits. And so I like books, all books that present those that, you understand, your phrase is all the pieces. I say to my purchasers, “If I might say abracadabra and also you inform me what you need, I’m gonna do my easiest to present you what you need.” After which I found after me saying that phrase for years that abracadabra is Hebrew for “my phrases create,” as I converse, I create. And I didn’t even know that however I’ve been utilizing that phrase for years and years after which I spotted what I used to be saying.

So I like all books which have the magic of phrases and quotes. And even Roald Dahl who you all know as a kids’s author stated, “The factor that makes you stunning is kindness. If you happen to’re a sort individual, you’ll be stunning, and if you happen to’re not sort, you received’t be stunning.” And he additionally stated, “Solely those that consider in magic get to see it and expertise it.” And I like that as a result of it’s so true.

Katie: Such stunning quotes. I actually love that one, “The sensation that can’t discover its expression in tears might trigger different organs to weep.” And that speaks to a number of the stuff you talked about on this of how these issues can bodily categorical within the physique and jogs my memory additionally of the ebook, “The Physique Retains The Rating” and the way…

Marisa: Oh sure, I like that ebook, “Physique Retains Rating,” and I like additionally “Emotions Buried Alive By no means Die.” And one other nice ebook referred to as “It’s All in Your Head.”

Katie: I’m writing these down. I’m gonna…The 2 you simply really useful, these are new to me. I can’t wait to learn them. However Marisa, like I stated at first, I actually recognize the work that you simply’re doing. I believe it’s actually profound and useful. And particularly for girls and many ladies listening, I believe it’s actually gonna be a dramatic, hopefully, assist to them and likewise very useful for me. I like your recommendation on how we may also help our youngsters and hopefully give them a powerful basis with this view of limiting beliefs as doable as they go into maturity. Do you have got any parting recommendation for the listeners immediately on the most effective beginning place for all of this or somebody who’s perhaps recognizing that they’ve a few of these limiting beliefs or they’re fighting a few of these issues, the most effective recommendation for getting began?

Marisa: Nicely, I’ve a quite simple ebook referred to as “I Am Sufficient,” I imply, I believe it prices $10. And if you happen to go to iamenough.com, we give away chapters of it. However regardless that I’m selling my very own ebook right here, it’s as a result of I wrote that ebook as a, form of, guide to assist anybody who feels not sufficient. I’ve it in faculties, I’ve it in some prisons truly, and a number of mother and father use it. And so, it talks you thru tips on how to go from feeling not sufficient to realizing with unshakable certainty that you simply’re sufficient. And so, I might actually suggest simply that as a result of it’s really easy and it’s so easy. As a result of there’s that factor, once more, it needs to be difficult. It actually doesn’t change. It may be simple changing into the most effective you may ever hope to be.

I imply, I’m happier now than I’ve ever been in my complete life. And I solely want I’d recognized once I was going by means of it that it was simple, you understand, the breakups and being kicked out of school and all of the trauma we undergo after we’re discovering our approach in life. If solely I’d recognized that change is definitely simple, it doesn’t should be painful, or onerous or unhappy, or it doesn’t even should be a wrestle, however we’re informed, life is wrestle, life is troublesome, life is difficult. And I typically surprise why we inform those that when it doesn’t even should be true.

Katie: I believe that’s an ideal place to wrap up. However like I stated, I’ll be sure that the entire hyperlinks you talked about are within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm so folks can proceed to be taught from you. And I’m so grateful on your time immediately and for all of the work that you simply’re doing. Thanks for being right here and for sharing.

Marisa: Nicely, thanks. And I’ve to say, six kids, I simply take my hat off. I’m simply attempting to think about how you’d match that into your life. I envy those that have gotten plenty of kids. I’m positive you do it superbly however that’s a tremendous job that you simply’re doing too.

Katie: Oh, thanks. And due to all of you as at all times for listening, for sharing your most beneficial useful resource, your time, with each of us immediately. We’re so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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